Right, as I've announced, I have been working on something. Here it is, 160 Minoan fighting men. An Army if you will.
Here is a view from the top rear of the entire army:
And here it is from the front, also a top view:
I've chosen to have the Greek mercenaries be on the Left. Each side then has a contingent of Spearmen with Shields covered with cow hide. Then the Spearmen with Towershields on their backs, also covered in cow hide. And in the center, a sort of Proto Phalanx, of dendra armor clad warriors with spears. which might or might not have existed (sources conflict). Behind the those are 4 small collections of warriors in dendra armor with figure eight shields, that are also cow hide. To each side of those are the Axe armed Minoan warriors with what I would think is linen armor, with some metal discs. In front of on the sides are Archers in skirmish, and in the center javelineers.
Here is the right flank. Note how the cow hide shields all have different patterns. Even those with engraved ones.
And this is the left flank. Here too you can see the different patterns of the cow hide shields.
A picture from the rear. The trees and bushes bought especially for this project. The ones I had were more northern i nature.´
A view slightly from the side. I promise I'll take more pictures of the individual units, and figures. I'll also in that post comment on what the historic sources say, and choices I made.
Final picture, of the entire army from the left side, towards the right. It is quite amazing to me, that 160 figures look like they are very few. This is the content of 5 boxes.
Zitat von cernief im Beitrag #2Oh, and it might be worth mentioning... No-one else has made a project like this :) I am the first to build a Minoan Army in 1/72.
Yes indeed, it's the first time I've seen such an army. 2000 B.C. - 1500 B.C. about. They were destroyed by the Mycenaeans and the volcano. Excellent culture. They had also expanded to other Aegean islands. We learn about them in school. Also their writing was linear A.
Zitat von cernief im Beitrag #2Oh, and it might be worth mentioning... No-one else has made a project like this :) I am the first to build a Minoan Army in 1/72.
Yes indeed, it's the first time I've seen such an army. 2000 B.C. - 1500 B.C. about. They were destroyed by the Mycenaeans and the volcano. Excellent culture. They had also expanded to other Aegean islands. We learn about them in school. Also their writing was linear A.
Zitat von cernief im Beitrag #2Oh, and it might be worth mentioning... No-one else has made a project like this :) I am the first to build a Minoan Army in 1/72.
Yes indeed, it's the first time I've seen such an army. 2000 B.C. - 1500 B.C. about. They were destroyed by the Mycenaeans and the volcano. Excellent culture. They had also expanded to other Aegean islands. We learn about them in school. Also their writing was linear A.
I correct 3000 B.C. - 1450 B.C.
I add, the Minoan civilization developed on the island of Crete in Greece.
Nice choice of colors, historically accurate, nice painting, nice placement, nice trees. I like the tough guys with the turreted cowhide shields better.
There is actually some doubt as to if the Minoans ever fought a battle. At least against others than themselves, but they are considered to have been in an alliance of sorts too. They did have a large navy, with which they were able to project their strength... For me their natural enemies would be the Libyan Tribes (who they possibly warred with to get slaves), Lukka (One of the Sea People; I heard those mentioned as pirates), and of course the Mycenaeans (which eventually conquered the Minoans, after the volcano at Thera significantly weakened the Minoan grip on the Seas). There is evidence of them trading with the Egyptians too... but no wars there.
Exactly as you said. They certainly fought the Mycenaeans and the Libyans. They can also fight at the table with all their contemporaries. Also let's say that linear B came from linear A. Linear B is ancient Greek.
I have my doubts as to how many they could have, even if some army lists in some rules state they should have quite some. My reasoning being... how would they transport them? and above all why? Wouldn't they need to know that there would be conflict, on land, with someone. I just can't see them having many. That being said, the most high up nobles or general(s), probably had them.
I do not doubt they fought battles. They (King Minos) subdued Athens King Aegeus and demanded tribut. Theseus was one of those tribut payments. So they were warring against ancient Acheans. After Daedos escaped to Sicily Minos persued him, but was captured and killed by the Sicilians. So thes fozght against Sicels to.
I doubt they used chariot - because Crete ist to unexen and theis ships seem to be to smallfor the effort of transporting those load. They were a Thalassokratie - therefore raiding and sea battles would be their means to sucess.
Zitat von Misteredd im Beitrag #15I doubt they used chariot - because Crete ist to unexen and theis ships seem to be to smallfor the effort of transporting those load. They were a Thalassokratie - therefore raiding and sea battles would be their means to sucess.
Zitat von Misteredd im Beitrag #15I do not doubt they fought battles. They (King Minos) subdued Athens King Aegeus and demanded tribut. Theseus was one of those tribut payments. So they were warring against ancient Acheans. After Daedos escaped to Sicily Minos persued him, but was captured and killed by the Sicilians. So thes fozght against Sicels to.
I doubt they used chariot - because Crete ist to unexen and theis ships seem to be to smallfor the effort of transporting those load. They were a Thalassokratie - therefore raiding and sea battles would be their means to sucess.
In Greece we learn the history of Minos from the age of 3. Also the myth of the Minotaur and Theseus. The myth reflects the tribute of servitude of the Athenians to the Minoans.
Furhter strengthening this opinion is that there were neither pictures nor mentionings of Minoan chariots at all. There came quite a lot of Minoan paintings through the ages - nice women, bull jumpers, delphins and a lot of ships - but no chariots. A chariot is a weapon of pride used by heros, demigods or Pharaos. If they have had some who would not mention them?
supi das freut mich nochmals wenn das was ich gemalt habe dich zum nachmalen ermutigt hat das ehrt und freut mich zugleich danke dafür die bäume selbstgemacht oder gekauft?
Zitat von Misteredd im Beitrag #18Furhter strengthening this opinion is that there were neither pictures nor mentionings of Minoan chariots at all. There came quite a lot of Minoan paintings through the ages - nice women, bull jumpers, delphins and a lot of ships - but no chariots. A chariot is a weapon of pride used by heros, demigods or Pharaos. If they have had some who would not mention them?
With a simple internet search look what I found:
A beautiful Minoan chariot. I'm sure if I search further I will find many stories from the Minoan chariots. Nevertheless, I will content myself with repeating that the Minoans had chariots like all the armies of the time.
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