Bonsoir,

voilà mes Minoens. J'espère vraiment la sortie d'un second set, c'est une civilisation tellement intéressante.

Ils vivaient sur les îles de Crète et Santorin, mais apparemment, sur toutes les côtes de la mer Egée.

Et malgré cela, ils n'étaient pas grecques. Ils ont migrés sur ces îles depuis l'Anatolie, qui est la Turquie actuelle.

Very nice colors, excellent work Stéphane, once again. I really like shields and weapons. You've done the skin really well too. The colors match each other very well. Great historical accuracy.

Zitat von GeorgeDianelis im Beitrag #2

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Very nice colors, excellent work Stéphane, once again. I really like shields and weapons. You've done the skin really well too. The colors match each other very well. Great historical accuracy.

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Yes, I noticed the skin.

Zitat von GeorgeDianelis im Beitrag #4

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Yes, I noticed the skin.

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Yes, painting is great! However there is some stuff, that isn't completely right historically. I did a rather long "essay" on it, in two different threads, when I painted them in the big army of 160.

Among the things I discovered. The cowhide of the cows on crete was probably black with white spots, and not white with black spots. The heavy Dendra armored warriors have armor, interspaced with cloth, to make movement easier. You have painted it metal. The figure I like to call the royal guardsman has some very special clothing over his body. It is stripped. You have painted it in one color. Ospreys plates, from which this is inspired, shows that the stripes were actually a different color, and the clothing was linnen.

Other than that, great work!

Also the Shield that is the small figure 8, on the dendra armored warrior with a spear in stabbing position, was likely not cowhide, but metal interspaced with a colorful pattern, perhaps a colorful pattern on it all.

Claus the truth is that, I haven't studied the Minoans enough to know these details.
Stéphane, until 2017 historians thought the Minoans were not Greeks. But the archaeogenetic study titled "Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans" published in 2017 concluded that the Minoans were closely genetically related to the Mycenaeans, and that both were closely but not completely related to modern Greeks.

It is also considered that these are indigenous populations of Crete. Have you heard the term pre-Greeks? It was invented to describe the populations that inhabited the Greek area before the arrival of the Greek races. As genetics proves today, the modern Greeks arose from the mixing of these people.

Zitat von cernief im Beitrag #6

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Yes, painting is great! However there is some stuff, that isn't completely right historically. I did a rather long "essay" on it, in two different threads, when I painted them in the big army of 160.

Among the things I discovered. The cowhide of the cows on crete was probably black with white spots, and not white with black spots. The heavy Dendra armored warriors have armor, interspaced with cloth, to make movement easier. You have painted it metal. The figure I like to call the royal guardsman has some very special clothing over his body. It is stripped. You have painted it in one color. Ospreys plates, from which this is inspired, shows that the stripes were actually a different color, and the clothing was linnen.

Other than that, great work!

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Zitat von cernief im Beitrag #7

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Also the Shield that is the small figure 8, on the dendra armored warrior with a spear in stabbing position, was likely not cowhide, but metal interspaced with a colorful pattern, perhaps a colorful pattern on it all.

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Non George, je ne connaissais pas ce terme. Mais Ok, la race grecque est donc né d'origines de ces peuples ayant migrés vers les îles grecques.

In Greece today there is a strong disagreement about the origin of the Greeks. One side supports the Indo-European theory, which I also accept. That the Greeks were a migratory race from the Caucasus region. The other side considers that the Greeks were indigenous.
As genetics proves, both theories are correct. The modern Greeks arose as a mixture of the indigenous and immigrant races. It seems that the language of the immigrant races prevailed. This language we today call Greek. With many changes of course.

Zitat von GeorgeDianelis im Beitrag #13

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In Greece today there is a strong disagreement about the origin of the Greeks. One side supports the Indo-European theory, which I also accept. That the Greeks were a migratory race from the Caucasus region. The other side considers that the Greeks were indigenous.
As genetics proves, both theories are correct. The modern Greeks arose as a mixture of the indigenous and immigrant races. It seems that the language of the immigrant races prevailed. This language we today call Greek. With many changes of course.

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Zitat von cernief im Beitrag #7

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Also the Shield that is the small figure 8, on the dendra armored warrior with a spear in stabbing position, was likely not cowhide, but metal interspaced with a colorful pattern, perhaps a colorful pattern on it all.

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Oui, là, je suis d'accord avec vous. Mais j'ai voulu représenter l'intégralité de mes boucliers en peaux. J'ignorais pour la couleur du cuir des vaches. Mais comme pour tout, il y avait certainement des exceptions à la règle. Mais si cela se vérifie, il faudrait que je fasse les prochains suivant le schéma que vous décrivez.

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The shield I am talking about.



The Dendra armor, notice the red in between the armor pieces.



The "royal guardsman", and his armor.



The shields of these soldiers show that there was different styles of cowhide used. I had overlooked those. But the images I looked at, from paintings on the walls on Crete tell another story.

Here are the shields I am referring to



Maybe not completely black spotted in white, but more color than white.

Claus, toutes ces images, je les ai trouvées aussi, et m'en suis inspirer pour ma peinture.

Le rouge que vous voyez entre les pièces d'armures, sont pour moi, des lanières de cuire qui permettent à toutes les pièces d'armure de se tenir entre elles. Je pense donc que ma peinture est jute à ce sujet.

De plus, les peaux de vaches ont bien plusieurs couleurs. Je crois que l'on peux faire, sans trop se tromper, plusieurs peaux de différentes couleurs.

:)

I will have to live with a different interpretation ;)

Zitat von cernief im Beitrag #19

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:)

I will have to live with a different interpretation ;)

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Yes, that is true. I have a tendency to think a bit too black and white (not on the figures, but in how I view how they should be painted.) I might be somewhat colored by the fact that I used quite a bit of time researching into how to paint mine. Naturally you have your way of seeing things, and come to your own conclusions. I am sorry if I came on as knowing everything :). I just had a vision in my head of how I would have wanted them painted myself, in my head. With the details you are capable of painting, and I am not, I thought it natural that you would have done that too. I guess that is the best praise I can say. That I expected you to fulfill the details I couldn't get myself :)

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Yes, that is true. I have a tendency to think a bit too black and white (not on the figures, but in how I view how they should be painted.) I might be somewhat colored by the fact that I used quite a bit of time researching into how to paint mine. Naturally you have your way of seeing things, and come to your own conclusions. I am sorry if I came on as knowing everything :). I just had a vision in my head of how I would have wanted them painted myself, in my head. With the details you are capable of painting, and I am not, I thought it natural that you would have done that too. I guess that is the best praise I can say. That I expected you to fulfill the details I couldn't get myself :)

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Bonjour à tous,

pour la présentation individuelle de chaque figurine, à 360° sur plateau tournant, c'est ici: https://youtu.be/JdwW1UcHWZw

Vidéo en ligne sur ma chaîne YouTube.

Bon dimanche.