Hi,

hier mal zu "griechischer" oder eben "makedonischer" Reiterei etwas, das ich interessant genug finde, um es umzusetzen. Für die hellenistische Reihe wird es doch sicher auch Reiterei geben, dazu ist empfehlenswert Xenophons "Reitkunst" und "der Reiterkommandant".

Die sind insgesamt lesenswert, außerdem beschreibt er da nach seiner Meinung ideale Ausrüstung für Reiter - dazu gehört eine Manica (Schienen-Armschutz) für den linken Arm und ein kurzer Armschutz "nach Art der Beinschienen" für den rechten Arm.

Ist bisher glaube ich so nicht umgesetzt worden. Aber für die hellenistische Reihe wird es ja sicher Kavallerie von Linear-A geben

Was ist mit den Magna Graecia Reitern? Die sind da eher nahe dran.

Ich habe noch mal durchgeschaut. Die Reiter der Hat Thebanischen Armee könnten gut passen - die Hat hellenische Verbündetenkavallerie ebenfalls. Diese hellenischen Reiter haben keine Schilde und keinen Kontos.

Danke für's mitschauen. Ich habe mir die Sets auhc nochmal angesehen - klar, mit Bemalung kann man ein wenig "schummeln". Aber Die Manica trägt kein hellenistischer Reiter bis jetzt. Vor allem nicht in Kombination mit einer Armschiene am rechten Arm. Also mir scheint es so, dass Xenophons Erläuterungen bis jetzt nicht umgesetzt wurden.

Da bei dem ein oder anderen Interesse besteht, hier mal Xenophons eigene Weisheiten dazu:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text...ighlight=helmet

"We want to explain also how a man who is to face danger on horseback should be armed.

We say, then, that in the first place his breastplate must be made to fit his body. For the wellfitting breastplate is supported by the whole body, whereas one that is too loose is supported by the shoulders only, and one that is too tight is rather an encumbrance than a defence.

And, since the neck is one of the vital parts, we hold that a covering should be available for it also, standing up from the breastplate itself and shaped to the neck. For this will serve as an ornament, and at the same time, if properly made, will cover the rider's face, when he pleases, as high as the nose.

For the helmet we consider the Boeotian pattern the most satisfactory: for this, again, affords the best protection to all the parts that project above the breastplate without obstructing the sight. As for the pattern of the breastplate, it should be so shaped as not to prevent the wearer from sitting down or stooping.

About the abdomen and middle and round that region let the flaps be of such material and such a size that they will keep out missiles.

And as a wound in the left hand disables the rider, we also recommend the piece of armour invented for it called the “hand.”1 For it protects the shoulder, the arm, the elbow, and the fingers that hold the reins; it will also extend and fold up; and in addition it covers the gap left by the breastplate under the armpit.

But the right hand must be raised when the man intends to fling his javelin or strike a blow. Consequently that portion of the breastplate that hinders him in doing that should be removed; and in place of it there should be detachable flaps at the joints, in order that, when the arm is elevated, they may open correspondingly, and may close when it is lowered.

For the fore-arm it seems to us that the piece put over it separately like a greave is better than one that is bound up together with a piece of armour.2 The part that is left exposed when the right arm is raised should be covered near the breastplate with calf-skin or metal; otherwise the most vital part will be unprotected.

Since the rider is seriously imperilled in the event of his horse being wounded, the horse also should be armed, having head, chest, and thigh pieces: the last also serve to cover the rider's thighs. But above all the horse's belly must be protected; for this, which is the most vital part, is also the weakest. It is possible to make the cloth serve partly as a protection to it.

The quilting of the cloth should be such as to give the rider a safer seat and not to gall the horse's back. Thus horse and man alike will be armed in most parts.

But the rider's shins and feet will of course be outside the thigh-pieces. These too can be guarded if boots made of shoe-leather are worn: there will thus be armour for the shins and covering for the feet at the same time.

[...]"

usw. Hoffe der Link klappt.

Schau Dir mal die Spätrömische Kavallerie von Miniart an - die haben da zwei Reiter ohne Schild aber mit Manica.

Jaaa, danke. Die hatte ich aus dem Auge verloren. Stimmt, eine Figur scheint der Beschreibung Xenophons sehr nahe zu kommen .

Hallo,

danke für die Info! Zeiträume sind mir persönlich völlig egal - ob morgen, in 3 Monaten, in 5 Jahren ... Hauptsache ist doch, dass die Chance besteht! Freut mich zu hören, dass Linear-A sich dem Thema annehmen will.